jocalderoni:

There are plenty of levelheaded people in that fandom but I was referring to the majority. Glee is fucked. It’s a horrible show that ruined every characcter  and I will never even try to dispute that. The issue that I’m having is that plenty of shippers go on and on about how Quinn needs independence and Rachel needs to take this time , be selfish and chase her dreams…A few minutes later, they’re jumping on board with “What if Rachel helped Quinn throught her therapy?! They could fall in love and live happily ever after!!!” or When Finn gives his horrid peptalks to Rachel I see too many people say that Rachel should find her own strength instead of relying on a guy. A paragraph later they’re going on about the fabbery peptalk and how Quinn gave Rachel confidence, etc. and they act as if they didn’t just turn look down on Finn for doing the exact same thing.  Quinn gets ran over truck and it’s apparently all about the ship instead of Quinn getting plowed down by a truck.I see so many double standards going on. Don’t even get me into how those little talks they have are so contrived and make little sense. Why is it okay for Quinn or Rachel to be clearly dependant on each other but the moment a guy steps in, it’s wrong and sexist? I hope it doesn’t sound like I’m attacking you or anything. I just don’t understand some people’s thinking. The only thing I can eversee them being is friends but that’s me. I couldn’t care less about them getting together honestly but i’m just curious about that.

I had to think about this, and don’t worry about attacking. Honestly, I see us having an interesting conversation. You haven’t cursed at me yet and that’s a step up from some other people. 

I guess from an outside standpoint it would all be confusing. Most things said in this fandom are in jest. Because that’s how you enjoy “Glee”—just mock it. The thing isn’t that he’s a guy, it’s Finn himself. I can’t really go too into it because I haven’t watched a Finn and Rachel scene since 3x14 (except the one in 3x22), but from what I’ve seen it’s what he’s saying than what he is. Somewhere around “Heart” is when he decided he wanted to go to California all of the sudden and got mad at Rachel for not listening to his 30 sec dream. Of course this is right after he decided to join the army and later maybe he wants to be an actor. The issue is Finn wanting Rachel to give up her lifelong dreams for something he just came up with instead of helping her achieve her own. I’m not saying Finn should just give up everything for Rachel, but it isn’t far that Rachel should have to either. It’s why they’re not compatible (IMO), they just want two different things—well Rachel wants and Finn doesn’t. There have been one or two moments where Finn is a good boyfriend for Rachel, they just get outweighed with the bad ones. 

I know it’s just Finn because this fandom loves Jesse. This fandom believes Jesse will help Rachel achieve her dreams and not her hold back like Finn does. So it’s not at all sexist so much as character driven. It’s not all men, just Finn. The same thing applies to Quinn where, even in these obviously fan pandering scenes, she still supports Rachel. You have her saying “You will get your NYADA letter” while Finn says “even if you don’t get in”. That’s all. It’s not where Rachel gets her confidence from. It’s just that Finn doesn’t give her any. He tends to tear her down. Whole separate issue there. 

The example about the therapy is back to the whole jesting aspect. They’re just fantasies. Something to play with, write fanfics, and make gifs about, but no one seriously expects it to happen. 

Did I answer it? I’m trying so hard not to go off topic and see where you’re coming from, but it’s a lot to cover.